Carroll, who was interviewed along with her attorneys Roberta Kaplan and Shawn Crowley, was asked what it was like to be in the same room with Donald Trump for the first time since her alleged encounter with him in a Manhattan department store in the 1990s.
She said her “brilliant” team of lawyers “stood up” to Trump whom she described as “not even there.”
“He’s nothing,” Carrol said, comparing Trump to a snorting walrus and a “rhino flopping his hands.”
When asked if she was surprised at how little power Trump had in the courtroom, Carroll admitted that she had been terrified about seeing him again at the trial.
She told Maddow that she was a “bag of sweating corpuscles” preparing for the trial and said just days before the trial began she had a “breakdown” where she was unable to speak, adding, “That’s how frightened I was.”
However, Carroll added that once she was on the witness stand and Roberta Kaplan “took the lectern,” she looked over at Trump and thought, “He was nothing” but a phantom.
The trial was the second defamation case Trump faced from E. Jean Carroll.
In a civil rape and defamation trial last spring, a jury awarded Carroll $5 million.
In last month’s trial, the judge in the case had already ruled that Trump’s 2019 comments about Carroll were defamatory. The trial itself was only for the jury to determine how much Trump should pay in damages.
Last Friday, the jury awarded Carroll $83.3 million. Donald Trump, who attended most of the trial, already vowed to appeal the jury award.
Rachel Maddow noted that Trump has already been edging toward defaming Carroll once again and asked if she was prepared to sue him for defamation a third time if he continued down that road.
Carroll said she “absolutely” would.
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